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  1. Here is the link again for the details and Submission form on the Waipa DC website Proposed Plan Change 18 – Beekeeping in the Residential Zones - Waipa District Council WWW.WAIPADC.GOVT.NZ
  2. True, I'll try contacting the same guy, see if he would do a follow up...
  3. That happened after the Council meeting back in March when WDC voted to review the rules. A reporter who was at the Council meeting contacted me and asked for my reasons for asking for the review, I got straight back to him by email, but he chose to quote some hobby beekeeper in TA who had no idea about the rules, or the pending change. P***d me right off at the time. I spoke to a few people who read the article and they said they couldn't work out what was happening. Reporters can be their own worst enemies at times... When I gave him some feedback, his excuse was there are only half the number of reporters in NZ compared to 3 years ago, and it was lucky he was even at the meeting.
  4. Yes that is true, but in 2013 when the last change happened, they ignored 9 submissions from experienced beekeepers and the Waikato Bee Club, and pandered to 2 submissions about anaphalaxix and swarms, from people who admitted they have not experienced either. I am really hoping they won't do that again, and the best way for that to happen in that as many beeks as possible educate them properly, otherwise they will have grounds to put heavy handed silly crap in the new rules.
  5. The entirety of the bee rules for Waipa are being reviewed, so it makes sense to put all beekeeping "knowledge" into submissions. Waipa have proved they don't understand how bees work, and the submission process is the opportunity for beekeepers to educate the staff and Councillors into doing the right thing, rather than what they think is right. Some of their recommended options make no sense as to how bees actually behave.
  6. I had pointed Waipa District Council to other Councils that use Bylaws that have never come even close to prosecutions. i believe all registered beekeepers (except possibly a few idiots) would happily work with neighbours to find solutions to any issues, and any that aren't registered are going to run a mile if someone complains about their illegal hives... Hamilton has no restrictions on numbers of hives or locations on property or distance from neighbours schools parks etc and only a handful of resolved complaints each year. Waipa, and all Councils should look to that if they have draconian rules.
  7. OAV treatment every three days for 6 week is a lot. Once a week for 4 weeks covers an overlapping brood cycle. I try to do that just after I remove any honey, and again in mid/late autumn. Bayvarol and apivar in mid August and mid February.
  8. The changes to the Waipa District Council (Cambridge and Te Awamutu) Beekeeping rules are now up for submissions. They opened last week, and close on January 29th 2021 so plenty of time. It is Proposed Plan Change 18 - Beekeeping in Residential Zones Submissions must be on their official Submission form, which is available at the very bottom of the Notice page (see link) Proposed Plan Change 18 – Beekeeping in the Residential Zones - Waipa District Council WWW.WAIPADC.GOVT.NZ If you want the full picture, and detailed reasoning and analysis of the Options, read the Proposed Plan Change 18 and Section 32 Report - Notified 4th Dec 2020 (just above the Submissions for link). (Section 32 is the section in the Resource Management Act that requires full details of any District Plan Changes) The current Rules in their District Plan are not fit for purpose, and WDC have put out 4 options, which are briefly outlined on the linked page. Option 1 & 2 are not viable at all. Options 3 and 4 are both viable, with WDC preferring option 4. (personally, I disagree, and believe it should be completely removed from the District Plan, and an Animal Nuisance Bylaw be created (Option 3), as is the case with the majority of NZ Councils.) Waipa seem to have this bizarre need to put 'enforcement of rules' as their top focused priority. Not a single council in NZ has ever needed to prosecute any urban beekeepers, yet Waipa are still insisting that enforcement remains their highest priority. Most other Councils simply tell a complainant to speak to the beekeeper, and that resolves almost every issue. Both options 3 & 4 also still contain the unnecessary restriction of only 2 hives, with a full resource consent required if you want more, and their distance from boundaries is still unnecessary. 3m from boundary if 1.8m fence, or 5m is less or no fence. I believe their focus should be on fence height of 1.8m if neighbours complain, and no directives on placement on any ones section. Mine are less than 1m from a 1.8m fence and my neighbour leans over the fence when I am inspecting. He never sees masses of bees, only the occasional bees on his flowers. They also want to refuse beehives adjoining schools, parks etc. What nonsense. Hive can exist just one house over, the bees are still going to fly over the area. If you have any questions, please post them here. It is hoped plenty of people will make submissions, with the option to speak to your submission at the appropriate Council meeting this is discussed, sometime after January 29th next year.
  9. I have just been advised that Submissions for the Waipa District Council Beekeeping Rule changes will open on Friday 4th Dec, and close on January 29th. I have requested some additional information from WDC as there appear to be conflicts between various documents relating to this. I will post again later this week with full details of the Submission process as soon as I have cleared up the conflicts, and the correct versions of documents are available on the WDC website.
  10. I wouldn't say out of control as such, but definitely ignorant of the reality of bee behaviours, and focusing on ease and power of prosecution, rather than bee stuff. I have been accused of defamation by criticising council staff, but in this case, back in 2012/14, there was definitely a lack of understanding ob how bees actually work, and I will stand by that criticism...
  11. This particular issue about bees is not a bylaw, it is actually set in the District Plan, which is managed under the Resource Management Act. I am not sure how long beekeeping rules have been in the DP, but they were reviewed in 2012/2014, and back then, public submissions were asked for. One of the councillors at the recent council meeting where this was voted on to go to review, said he was part of the council that set the current rules, and seemed upset that 1 person (me) could complain and see the rules up for review. I don't think he appreciated learning that one of his DP rules was actually not fit for purpose. If you read the background on the 12/14 review, it was stated that putting the rules in the DP allowed for greater prosecution powers... But the reports didn't bother looking into other councils prosecution rates, of which there are very few, if any. The current boundary distances were reduced from what must have been rural distances, but were still 5 times greater than recommended in a submission by Waikato Bee Club's submission. I currently have 4 ives about 1.5m from a fence line, and the neighbour never sees any of the bees, except a few on his flowers. The reason is a 6 foot high fence that forces the bees up and well above head height. THAT is what is needed in residential areas. A 1.8m fence, even if some of it is trellis, to keep bees above head height... Distance from boundary is irrelevant if fences are 1.8m high. If they are 1.2m high, the bees fly through neighbours properties at chest/head height - and that is where the problem is. The rules need to recognise fence height, and not distance from boundary.
  12. This is an article written following last Tuesdays Council meeting. I have spoken to a couple of non bee people who found it confusing, as it doesn't say why the rules are being reviewed... I was asked for my reasons for asking for the review, and gave the reporter heaps of info, which he completely ignored... https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/119970866/waip-beekeepers-fly-under-the-radar-avoiding-resource-consents
  13. Yesterday I asked WDC how they will be handling the 363 beehives that they now know are currently in Cambridge and Te Awamutu. This morning I got the following response from the District Plan Policy Manager... "Enforcement is on a case by case basis. We are not intending to proactively enforce hives in residential areas, but if we do receive further complaints, then we do have an obligation to follow up on complaints received. We can’t lawfully hold off enforcement pending a possible rule change, but we can use different approaches and enforcement tools depending on the particular circumstance. If we do receive complaints, we will look at the effects associated with any complaint, take into account where the rule review is in the process, and make a call from there. " I would like to thank Tony for his very fair report to Councillors yesterday, and @WaipaDC Councillors for voting to review. As @Maggie James said above, the process could drag on, but at least it has started...
  14. Waipa District Councillors have this morning voted in favour of reviewing the current District Plan rules for beekeeping. The report presented to Councillors today showed a significant number of beehives in both Te Awamutu and Cambridge, and described the current rules as "ineffective". The process now goes through the rigorous RMA process of review (which I think is overkill for this issue) but it is what it is. I will keep adding to this thread as the process progresses... and will definitely advise when submissions are called for...
  15. It is interesting that in the last 2 years, there were 6 complaints, and 9 queries about bees, (a far higher rate than in Hamilton City where there are over 1400 hives) that resulted in the only (one) consent being issued, and that going back 5 years. We were told that Council had to act, and enforce compliance whenever they were made aware of bees in urban areas. I wonder if in all those 14 other cases, the beekeeper just moved the hives away, rather than comply with a consent process designed for making modifications to buildings...
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