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tony last won the day on March 27 2019

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  1. Hmm interesting, this is taking it to the next level, but you maybe on to something here, not sure if theres any research on this, basically if I can read between the lines your basically suggesting that the viruses are surviving in honey?. I like the theory.
  2. Yea I used to push out till now, but I don't graft in March any more, the mating success is reduced so much for me I find it not worth the work fixing things etc. Yea I should have added my poorper splits are mated in my drone production area so these are selected drone hives actually the ones in my bee pathogen program, which are selected originally from varroa survival but of late its honey and overwintering strength.
  3. Queen breeding is definitely a art and science, I do not rate myself as the best but as the years go by you learn, I have been guilty of trying to raise to many cells at once, using hives not strong enough, trying to go to far outside of the season in fact you could name all sorts and I've probably done it. But what I do now that has changed is I do it mostly for myself and man I get way better results, I gues it's the added pressure of quantity versus time, I never intended to do queens or cells for others but I'd get the odd request so you try and help, I've learnt to say no. But what I do know is i am impressed with how the breeders who do it for income can actually do it well and make money doing it it needs to be a pretty smooth operation. I take my hat of to them. On a side note because I mark all my queens at least once a year I find them all and take records its absolutely incredible how many change themselves. Also while we are on the subject of queens what's peoples thoughts on poorper split queens, I did it this year on some double box nucs, just before Christmas basically I was being lazy, I had nearly 100% take I then did it again mid January and again a excellent take, my question is how good are these queens, currently they seem awsome.. ps. This is not what I normally do but it was a combination of running out of cells xmas was around corner and I was lazy.
  4. I've just talked with Hayley Pragert she is one of the team in the pathogen program and she said it was my information to use and was no problem for me to share information, so when I get a chance later I guess we can open another topic and I will post my results.
  5. I guess there's a few things missing in this theory, one is where are the virus coming from to start with, if there have been no varroa counted in the past two rounds, so basicly a year, autumn and spring sample, where are the virus coming from, if oa, and fa, reduce the viruses what does reduce it by? and how? It can't just be the bees cause over that period of time they have naturally been and gone so now I have fa killing "sick bees", and oa killing "sick bees", and then natural life span " dead bees". No varroa spreading it?. I'm not saying that the acids aren't doing it but how do you prove it unless you are testing for it, it may well be that these acids are helping and my levels could be way out of control if I wasn't. In theory I agree if you kill the "SICK" bees you won't get a virus reading cause they dead, but what is a sick bee? What level is considered sick?, and some of my readings are high with some and other viruses are non or low while other beekeepers are high in the others?, but without seeing everyone's results the picture is not fully clear. So trying to stay on topic my current view on acids is yes they help buying getting rid of sick bees and varroa but I'm not so sure they get rid of actual viruses at least not fully, still to many unknowns
  6. Thanks guys yea, I'm well aware of a lot of this and been cleaning frames and gear for many years and as the years go on it gets more and more, cleaning any deads that come home, and I think I run pretty clean gear, I haven't done heat treatment however and to be honest it's not something that appeals to me at this stage, @feildbee is doing it currently and seems to be having results. The thing is I'm not seeing a lot of clinical case so I'm not overly worried about my virus levels it's more about understanding them and now knowing that it's not necessary a varroa problem, it is if you have varroa then it becomes a big problem, but I think I have the varroa sorted, I think I'll start a new topic a post my results so you guys can see them ill just talk with the program personal first to make sure I'm not crossing any lines
  7. Yea I'd start a new topic on this but if I'm the only one of the 59 in the program on here theres not much point haha, I hate talking to myself.
  8. I'm not so sure, you maybe right as I'm no data analysis, but my results aren't showing that, my results are showing strong healthy bees with no varroa at all present in the last two sample rounds, but some of the viruses are still high, I'm on a 10% frame rotation on this site and on a side note its been the same hives tested never moved same boxs gear etc apart from normal replacement of a broken box etc, since sampling started I have used acids as treatment, plus synthetic, thymol and even drone culling. But I can't seem to shake some of the viruses, is it genetics? I have heaps of questions about this is there any one else on here that was part of the pathogen program us love to talk.
  9. I'll back it, don't get me wrong I agree with being audited, but for probably the majority of extraction plants operating at most 5-6 months most maybe not not even that, why two?, and agree the hourly rate is next level, like I understand costs and value of time etc but man they are the highest paid people on my books, I guess that's the thing that gets me the most, the other being they waste time checking trace ability twice a year when we are only producing once a year why? They can see the exact same info on one visit why do they need to see it twice. Different if your buying and packing all the time I guess but they are on three visits I believe. But most of those guys have someone employed to make sure there rmp is running as it should, we cant do that we are the ones running it, it's our time they are wasting also on a second visit. That's enough of a whine for now. I guess if we still had a NBA we could put a remit in then out to all the other branches to vote if they agree or not then if they all agreed it would go to the agm at conference then it could be followed up, I guess we don't have that democracy anymore.
  10. Is there research that oa gets rid of viruses?, I recieved the last results from the bee pathogen program couple days ago and I still have some very high virus loads well at least out of the group in particular dwv, and bqcv, bee weight was good at 18gm, and no mites in my samples these hives have been treated with oa/gly, not just that but it is part of my treatment. May be it needs long term exposure? I am definitely interested in what lowers virus levels, probably another topic there.
  11. Yea, my limited experience at this stage is pretty simple the hives don't really like it the stocking rate needs to be higher they definitely need to artificially pollinate also, and get a real good spread of hives though out the orchard.
  12. @nikki watts, I would bomb those hives with Fa, yes it will knock the socks out of them but you need to get those mites out asap, if you have other healthy hives around I would be looking at those for a donor once you have the mites gone. Staples and synthetic are not going to cut it at this stage, Interesting, did he know about the oa/gly, before this? Or was that just a opinion he had on the spot, did he understand the point of the gly treatment?, oa/syrup as we all know works but only has a limited kill time the point of the glycerin is to extend the kill.
  13. What I have seen in covered is you need more hives than uncovered, not only are they under a cover they are under the canopy, they don't work the same, I wonder if its lack of light.
  14. The only thing is you need a heck of a lot of them, to even get close to doing the job of a strong hive
  15. We've been using nucs in a covered orchard it has some open sides so not fully enclosed, one thing I noticed is they are slow on eating the sugar I been using two box nucs so 9 frames and a inside feeder, we also been using full size hives the nucs are easier to get to the awkward parts. One of the reason I was trying nucs was I didn't need to worry about them getting wrecked when they where done in the orchard I just put them out to recover, the other thing is this orchard was using bumblebees but for there money you dont get much in my opinion a nuc has a heck of a lot more bees in them than the 20 bumblebees that appear in the nest.
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